I now truly fear for our future liberty

[Matt J Heaton]

Illegal to collect rainwater?! Jesus, what reason do they give for that?

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[thepreacher_naric]

You guys should be afraid. The capabilities these agencies have is very surprising. I advise everyone use Firewalls on thier computers. That way, you are informed of what comes in and out of your computer. The unwelcome progression is very near my friends. Imagine this for a senario. Some not so rich country hires human cloning scientists and starts making advanced cloned humans who begin to make headlines all over the world. 5 years later the President of the US is forced to addmit that having more advanced humans in countries other than the US is a threat to 'National Security' (fuck I hate when they say that. What a load of crap) so they pass law through congress to start cloning in the US. There you have the begining to a change in humanity.
PS. That would make a good script.

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The pay-off from struggle is the most sweetest revenge.

[chinnyboo]

well well well
it seems im not the only one who thinks the badness in the world should be portrayed in motion pictures... i thought i was alone!
it is interssting that you brought up the whole thing about the magic lantern project... i am reading about this now. where did you get that information on, because i always try to find this type of stuff and never can....
anyways back to the point, did you know microsoft have also made EVERYONE who buys XP and office XP register it.... before long anything you make on microsoft software/ hardware microsoft will try and take a tidy grab of any profits it might make. be warned! the world is much more of a harsh place than any of you might think.

i dont mean to sound melodramatic. but its true!
hope this helped

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[Mr Blackstock]

Whats to fear?

Admittedly the possibilities are limitless in the degredation of civil liberties, but when has it not? One thing you should all consider, whatever information is collected, is being collected cheaply, therefore an incredible amount of information is being compiled as we speak, yet what really puts a spanner in the works is that few have the time or ability to process this information properly. So, everything about you, me, them, everybody is stored, however, "they" will only get to analyse it in 150 years.

The advent of computers was brought about by their capability to be a tool, then and now, they are reliant on human interface. Historically, humans have trouble with everything, from the abacus to the triangle.

Beaurocrisy, stupidity, and lack of foresight will ensure the relative privacy of everyone here past our deaths, so relax, until human information is more valuable than it currently is, there is little reason for someone to spend billions calculating how many americans munch on potatoe chips.

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[andy_winton]

exactly mr blackstock,

There was a quote from someone inside
the mafia on one of discovery channels
about 'organised crime', something like
'don't kid yourself it wasn't that
organised'.

Yep, double comparison, both equally
justifiable, gates-mafia, gates-stupid.

They (the evildoers) can have all the
1984 technology they want but at the
end of the day the 'guy' watching you
just wants to clock off to go home and
have his dinner.

I'd say even if you are doing something
bad you don't need to worry about big
brother, you'd have to hit the top 1%
of being bad before 'they' put all the
peices together.

Not exactly doing 10 impossible things
before breakfast but maybe doing one
thing right before they retire...

:-)

andy


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[hairbrain]

Hmm interesting stuff. Personally I'm a great believer in privacy. Despins argument is something I often encounter from my own parents as well as other people who can't understand why I should be so worried by new security measures and surveillance technology. My usual flipant reply is... `if I'm not doing anything wrong why are they looking?`.

Underlying this remark however I must confess is an inner paranoia about where this world is heading. As power is slowly removed from the local authorities and instead vested in more and more global and general bodies, such as the EU or the UN, we individuals are finding ourselves more and more powerless in the face of change. The days of marching down to the town hall with yer mates and demanding a change to the law are long gone. Nowadays even a gathering of 50,000 protesters in trafalgar square seems un-newsworthy. If a government won't listen to these kind of huge demonstrations then it is no wonder that some crazed and desperate individuals turn to violence in an attempt to get heard. But what does this all have to do with privacy I hear you wondering....

Well if a society becomes encompassed within an apparatus of security, movement control, and our homes become transparent to the eyes of our governors then we all become like upturned armadillos, our soft bellies exposed and our armour redundant. This is all safe and well as long as the authorities in control of all this apparatus do not deem us as an enemy and a threat. Our vulnerable state is safe for as long as we can make sure that the people who govern us are our friends. But we have lost, and are loosing further still, our ability to influence who is using this security aparatus. The 50,000 people who turned up to those protests in trafalgar square did not succeed in changing anything... but you can bet that they suceeded in getting their names onto some list somewhere. They did nothing but protest, whether that be for an end to the war, or the poll tax, or the criminal justice bill, but now they are the enemy. You may believe I'm being paranoid but I've been to these things and the police don't even attempt to hide the fact that they're video recording as many peoples faces as possible.

Last year I was unfortunately caught in Oxford Circus when the police decided to barracade me and several thousand others in. It was a protest against capitalism but many shoppers were also caught in the trap, aswell as tourists. The police kept us there for 9 hours. When they started letting people out they were taking everybodies details and photographing them. Now if that doesn't remind you of a totalitarian 3rd world state then your more brainwashed than I thought.

On a similar track in 1993 I tried getting to a free party somewhere in the south of england. We eventually found out that it was in Milton Keynes so headed over there at 4am. When we arrived people were running in every direction screaming. The party had been a private party on private land and was therefore legit. The police didn't care though... to them we were the enemy. They came in and tear gassed the whole crowd.

And so you can see how I and my friends, without engaging in any truly criminal activity, have often been classed as `Enemies` or `Menaces to Society`. As we move into a world where it is seen as politically valid to invade a country overtly, killing many innocent civilians, in order to topple a regime, we are moving away from the hidden barbarism of 20th century covert operations and into a new openly barbaric era of capitalism. Anybody who stands in the way of the authorities who believe it is `just` and `righteous` to play chess with civilians lives will be deemed an enemy of the state and should expect excessive amounts of privacy invasion and surveillance. After all... if they're watching moronic shoppers and unthinking newsreaders like hawks then you can only imagine what kind of scrutiny their applying to `difficult` people.

But hey... it's not worth loosing any sleep over. There are more things in life to be enjoyed than worrying about these things. Have a happy new year and may your film making jaunts be productive.

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[eddie]

>Beaurocrisy, stupidity, and lack of
>foresight will ensure the relative privacy
>of everyone here past our deaths, so relax,
>until human information is more valuable
>than it currently is, there is little
>reason for someone to spend billions
>calculating how many americans munch
>on potatoe chips.

fraid not.
If information currently isnt very valuable then why do email lists sell for huge amounts of money between companies?
I have worked for, and know of companies thats most valuable asset is their database of customers. If the company folded then they would seriously consider selling the database to the highest bidder (and there are many).

There is one reason to spend money on calculating how many americans eat potato chips. So that you know who your target audience is so that you can sell more and grow larger.
The problem with unrestricted growth of corporations is that they are profit led. Their bottom line is cashflow rather than well being, which means that ordinary people suffer, maybe indirectly but there are still consequences.
Then again you can just carry on doing nothing wrong, be a good citizen you will still be affected by these changes, but so long as you dont complain you will never be imprisoned or a suspect.....looks like 1984 has already crept up on some people here.

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[Chance1234]

under the law you are entitled for a copy of any CCTV footage you appear on, Ill buy a pint for the first person to shoot a feature that way


Chance


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